Instant Messenger Dialogues
Her & Him I.M.
(Kim Jackson’s status says busy…but Dre Harvey contacts her anyway)
Dre Harvey:
u r not busy
Kim Jackson:
whatsineva cletus
Dre Harvey:
lol
Dre Harvey:
so i haven't seen any fire
Kim Jackson
:fire?
Dre Harvey:
i think you should write about the things you've been talking about w/family
Kim Jackson:
my grandma?
Dre Harvey:
just family period
Kim Jackson:
i got a few things to put on paper....
Dre Harvey:
i think that would be hilarious
Dre Harvey:
like how many people would respond?
Kim Jackson:
i got one on an experiment a guy did a few years ago about what women want...his conclusion...we want what we can't have...the arrogant self centered one instead of the nice guy
Dre Harvey:
that's true
Kim Jackson:
no...not true
Dre Harvey:
buy does he explain why?
Kim Jackson:
i know why
Kim Jackson:
when men and women have no perception of self...they look for a stronger personality to override their 'lack'...although at times because they have no perception of self...they choose wrong
Dre Harvey:
that can be one reason
Dre Harvey:
but woman are naturally the submissive being
Dre Harvey:
they were created that way
Dre Harvey:
their nature is to go towards power
Dre Harvey:
arrogance can be confused for power and/or confidence
Kim Jackson:
naturally submissive?
Dre Harvey:
yes naturally
Dre Harvey:
that was how women were created
Kim Jackson:
dude...no...we are talking the roles of adam and eve...this is a different time
Dre Harvey:
times haven't changed
Kim Jackson:
yes they have
Dre Harvey:
nope
Dre Harvey:
if you get a good man, you'll submit to him b/c he knows how to run his house
Kim Jackson:
submit?
Kim Jackson:
stop
Dre Harvey:
yes you will
Kim Jackson:
it's not about submission
Kim Jackson:
i swear some men take that passage WAY too literal
Dre Harvey:
indeed it is, it's not submission as in "i give up"
Dre Harvey:
no, submission is the same as servanthood
Dre Harvey:
you have to learn to follow b/f you can lead
Dre Harvey:
so by serving, you're actually being a better leader
Kim Jackson
:still wrong
Dre Harvey:
not wrong, the perception is that it is wrong and that's why we have issues
Kim Jackson:
yes wrong
Kim Jackson:
a man and woman are 'joined in holy matrimony'
Kim Jackson:
not 'led by him in holy matrimony'
Kim Jackson:
joined...as in two becoming one
Kim Jackson:
you can’t add 2/3 yellow and 1/3 red and expect orange...IT'S EQUAL
Kim Jackson:
that's where the problems come in...there is a king of the castle, but the queen has a throne too
Dre Harvey:
i understand, but a strong man has responsibility to ensure the safety of all around him, wife, family, all of that. man and woman are joined together in holy matrimony, but when does the man take a woman's last name? woman was taken from man's rib, not vice versa. so joining one means becoming part of the man, which is the head and held responible for the woman
Dre Harvey:
now if he misuses that responsibility, the woman's scorn is deadly
Dre Harvey:
they will rule co equally, but at an impasse, the man is responsible for final decisions
Kim Jackson:
you're exhausting...a woman doesn't even have to take his name
Kim Jackson:
and the woman has to accept responsibility for her home and family as well.
Dre Harvey:
a woman doesn't have to, you're correct, but a man NEVER takes hers
Kim Jackson:
and a woman NEVER has to take his
Kim Jackson:
you are forgetting that as people we do have FREE WILL
Dre Harvey:
i bet on that marriage license it shows his name
Kim Jackson:
and hers too...it's a legal document...of course his name would be one it!
Dre Harvey: [3:34 PM]:
ok, keep in perspective where we are, i'm not saying that the woman doesn't have any responsibility at all, but i mean ultimately responisible. and that's where a lot of issues come in and things get abused especially by men, then think that the woman is supposed to do what the man says and just be like a child to him. Incorrect
Kim Jackson:
and you know what? you're proving my point...times have changed. when you consider that over 50% of people that enter into this CONTRACT don't even honor it!
Dre Harvey:
and that's the difference, it's not a contract, the paper is worldly legal. the convenant is heavenly bound. so what are you entering to, the world or heaven?
Kim Jackson:
be real...there is a difference...this is not a spiritual debate...don't try to make it one...this was about what women want and you tried to make it biblical...unfortunately...
Dre Harvey:
ok, we'll take the bible out of it then
Dre Harvey:
let's deal with world and it's views on it
So…what’s your take UPH Family?
Categories: Relationships
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Way to hold your ground Kim!
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Thanks MShelly! What's your opinion on the topic?
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It just annoys me when Men exepect Women to lose themselves in a relationship. I feel that maintaining your identity is important to a woman being happy in her relationship.
Men often misuse religion to gain control over a woman's personality. Unfortunately, it turns into a one-way street because the woman wants to be obedient to her faith. That is just not right in my book.
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Part two coming soon...
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Being submissive is not the same as losing your identity...That's your problem if you cant be yourself in a relationship.
Being submissive is all about respecting and knowing who has the authority. I bet you don't speed in the presence of a police officer...so, why can't you give your husband the same utmost respect??
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MShelly,
You are correct. Religion is often used to control and that is incorrect b/c most people don't understand their own faith, especially men. But when you look at your faith, you can analyze right from wrong and if you have any doubt, the book tells you right from wrong. But the woman still has rights and doesn't have to change who she is for him. Who she is should better him DAILY, and he should better her DAILY. It's his responsibility to do so.
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James...respect begets respect. You don't speed in the presence of an officer because you are conscious and adhering to the law. It has nothing to do with respect...its simply acknowledgment. Would you rather have your wife just acknowledge you or RESPECT you? Just as she would expect the same from you...its either a partnership or a struggle of battles and will...ultimately leading to disrespect.
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I don't live on a hill. I live down under a hill, in the bottom and I've got a lot of cars, yeah.
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